And, and so does conservation to some, I mean, animal welfare conservation is animal welfare in the wild, kind of, you know, if you want to look at it that way. But I think that 90, 95% of animal rights, people believe in what, what we believe in. You know, nobody wants to be cruel to an animal. Everybody wants to do the right thing. But we’re gonna sacrifice animals from medical research if we have, if we can do it, you know, in a, in a sort of humane way. I think that the animal rights can be a philosophical belief that animals have the same rights as people and that’s just not realistic. It’s just not gonna work. And that, so they also are, if they understood what went on in nature, they’d wanna shut down nature, not zoos because they, they won’t go out there.
