(laughs) And considering what you know about Ulie Seale today, ISIS, CBSG all the things he’s developed. That’s kind of an interesting start. That’s how Ulie got started. And then of course, in addition to presenting normal values on 12 species in Houston, Ulie presented an outline for a computer data program for physiological norms and, and for a database called the Seamac Zogad system for Ulie Seale and Dale Mackie. And zogad, you know, well, anyway, bottom line, because, you know, we had collected 5,000 samples. We had normals for the first time ever on 12 species of animals at which time Ulie then said, well, okay, now that everybody’s through, you know, saying whoopee and patting themselves on the back, this is all useless. This is a total waste of time and it’s all useless. And everybody just kind of said, holy smokes, you know, wait a minute.
