You have to be good. And I think that was sometimes surprising to people. ’cause you know, oh well I thought we were friendly, Rick. Yeah, we were, but you, you’re not doing your job. So I, I think I was pretty, I was upfront maybe too upfront sometimes, but, and I think that I was, I was very hands on and, and sometimes they appreciated that and sometimes they didn’t. ’cause they, a lot of times they look at a zoo director, well, you know, you don’t, you’ve never worked with these animals. Yeah, yeah. I have just not your animals. And, and they don’t, they don’t ask your advice. So you, you let ’em do it their way.
