You know, something like that. So, but we, we, we always included the appropriate animal staff and facilities was in there, you know, the, the normal planning that you would do. But I, I used, i, I changed architects, but first I used Pat Janowski, who, who worked with me at Disney. ’cause he really knew the back of house and he was really good. And then we went on to other architects like Studio Hanson, Roberts, Keith, Keith McClintock and, and Jason Hill. So those, there’s a lot of good firms out there, but some are better, more better fish for us. When we were doing Africa, pat came with us on a trip to Gaon. So we, we did, I took six people that were, I took the conservation guy and I had Raymond Daz with us too. ’cause Ray was, he’s, he’s an exhibit designer that, that had a lot of experience working with animal staffs.
