Oh, we included the, the senior keepers, the curators. We would bring zoo architects in. Obviously that had experience because sometimes with the animal staff, they haven’t built a new exhibit yet. And a lot of times they would ask for stuff that sounded nice, but maybe a bit extravagant. And you needed the, the zoo architect to say, well we tried that, but this might work better. They meant well, but like if the wall needed to be 12 foot high, they said, well let’s make it 14 foot high.
