Well, I think, you know, I think, you know, of all of the, you know, of all the people that I’ve had contact with and we’ve worked with over the years, and that I’ve known in zoos, Ulie probably had the most profound positive impact on not only on Omaha and the US Zoo field, the zoo world and profession, but you know, both from a zoo management standpoint, from a medical reproductive standpoint, but for the zoo world as a whole. I mean, Ulie basically ended up affecting the whole zoo world. Ulie. I met Ulie in 1969 when he came to one of our first zoo vet meetings, right after we had broken off and formed our own zoo vet association. And we were meeting in East Lansing, Michigan at Michigan State and staying at the Kellogg Center, primarily because, you know, they’d give us the space free. And for $7 a night, you got a room and breakfast. So it was a great deal. And there was a, you know, I think I’ve kind of touched on the fact that particularly in those early days, it was so much that we didn’t know, cause we didn’t have a database.
