And, and Art would’ve said, yeah, well Rick, you know, Rick worked at the Safari Parks before. So I thought it was a recommendation from them. I thought they just cold called. I didn’t know until years later that Bill Conway was consulting for him. And when he left, he gave them my name, said call Rick Ji. He never told me that. And so I said yes. And I went out there and then I came back ’cause they wanted me to come back and, and consult more.
