And I started at the same time, Randy Rka started who be, who stayed there and had a long career there. And the two of us together, you know, were paired together. He was the farm boy. I was a city boy. I I, I had the degree, he had the common sense, you know, he taught me how to use a tractor and I don’t know what I taught him, but we, we were very good friends and we just had a great time out there. But after a few years of that, and, and I wrote a couple of articles for Zoo News back then, you know, and, and I, and I was, I hadn’t start, I I was going to a ZA conferences, but I didn’t start presenting papers until a few years later. So then in the, then the, the Miami Metro Zoo was moving to a new location and they were looking for a curator. And I applied, and I can remember at the conference, they interviewed me and then Jim Dolan came up to me and said, the guys at Miami are interested in you, Rick. And so I told him, I said, if I had that position, you wouldn’t be able to touch him.
