And he, and I said, it’s Charlie Schroeder. You know, I got a picture of me standing next to him. We’re about the same size. You know, Charlie was even shorter than me. And just, that was, that was special. You know, he’d tell, he’d tell his stories. And then a a lot happened at that time. I made a lot, a lot more friends. And then I started applying for, for, for curator jobs.
