Yeah, it is very difficult to advise somebody to, to take the zoo career because there are very, very few zoos in Germany. And of course there are all, some, quite a number of curators, but only one director. And if you want to be zoo director, you must be lucky as I also was very lucky. So I think I know many people who directed to the job of the Z director and failed. So it’s very difficult. But on the other hand, there are people who say from, I have one example, the director of Dublin Zoo now, he was brought up here and he, he was my student also a PhD. He did his PhD on, on, on, on lemurs in Marasca. Then he changed to Bristol research officer, and finally he ended up as a director of Dublin Zoo.
