Many of them are transient. They come from out with the zoo community. They do a few years, one or two do good work, quite a few cause problems, and then leave and go back to the real world for want of a better term. So the ones that impress me are the ones that approach it from a, from an old school point of view. And they’ve usually, they’ve been in zoos all their lives. They’ve, they’ve evolved up through the system, they’ve evolved with the zoo industry and, and just, you know, you can spend five minutes with a, with a, a zoo CEO or zoo director that you’d never met before. And it, in that first couple minutes, you know, whether they’re worth their salt or not.
