And this goes completely against the grain of how most young people within the business are looking at it. And you mentioned, you know, you the, you know, if they know who Gerald Dole was, but, and you suggest cynically that oh yeah, he was an animal dealer and they’ll, you know, sit back and shock and oh no, if they know about him, they know about him because of his, you know, conservation zoo perspective. But he started out as an animal dealer and somehow they are now all the spawn of Satan when an actual, but yeah, there were bad animal dealers and scrupulous ones and there was scrupulous animal dealers as well. And there was a bunch in between. I was, you know, citing an example the other day that the king penguin population in, in Europe could desperately do with fresh blood and to go somewhere like the Falklands get permission, all the permits, but to bring back 30 or 40 king penguins, be it eggs, chicks, or even adults would make no impact on the wild population whatsoever. But it would rejuvenate the captive population. Now if you relate that to threatened species, and there are a large number that come from very small founder bases, the mish me takin population in Europe that I used to run, they all stem from two males and one female. The golden token population in Europe all stem from one pair to say that, oh, well we don’t need to bring in animals from the wild or at the very least other regions zoos is is ludicrous.
