I mean, you know, I never met the man, but, or communicated with ’em in any way, shape, or form. But I mean, heger I suppose would be a medic, a mentor, stroke, hero, stroke, you know, just someone that I would want to, at the end of the profession, I, you know, I’d want to try and make as or leave make as big an impact on the profession as he has. There was an individual, he’s no longer with us, he was actually a peer, but he was also a mentor. There was a guy called Graham Law and he worked at Glasgow Zoo, and Graham was at the cutting edge of carnivore enrichment before anybody else was. And we started working together on stuff, dealing with, we were both managing polar bears and horrible concrete pits and you know, we’d b bouncing ideas off each other. But one, one of Graham’s mantras was, and was publish Douglas, you don’t publish enough. And, and he was absolutely right. And you know, I’m as guilty of it as, as most people in the profession are that we’ve never, we may have published, but we never published enough.
