Heger? And I invariably would get a rabbit in the headlights look from the interviewee who would start to sweat profusely ’cause they had no idea. And so then I started to expand the question and it was like, okay, let’s let, maybe that’s, maybe I’m being a bit unfair. And it was like, okay, tell me who one of these three individuals were, or four individuals. And I’d go, you know, Heine, Heger, Carl Hagenbeck, bill Conway, Gerald Dole, I’d maybe get a Gerald Dole. I almost never got a Conway. Certainly in a UK scenario in America that might be different, but Hagenbeck, no, Heger, certainly not. And it’s like, you know, know your history, know the literature, you know, stuff just ’cause you know, people quote it ad nauseum, but you know, Conway’s paper on how to exhibit a bull frog, it’s, it’s crucial stuff in the same way that he digger’s man an animal is still a crucial bit of the publications that you need to absorb. And you know, and again, it’s, you know, one of the projects that myself and, and, and and Christian Schmidt have been looking to do, he did, Christian did his, his PhD under Heger and he knows the family.
