And Joe and I, and Joe had a degree, Joe and I were arguing the toss for a good two hours. I was pleased with myself being able to hold a conversation with the zoo professional for that long. And the fact that he was willing to appeared, willing to listen to me, he did end up taking me on the best behind the scenes tour I’d ever had. But it was, and neither of us could answer the question, but at the time there was no zoo biology zookeeper credential you could get at a college or a university. There is now, but it didn’t exist then. So I opted to go into the job and learn from the ground up. And I don’t think it did me any harm, but that doesn’t happen anymore. Certainly almost, you know, if I had a keeper vacancy at Highland Wildlife Park, I’d get 80, a hundred applications.
