I mean, I’ve been responsible for making polar bears a palatable species for zoos within the UK in particular. And, and a lot of it was to do with space. How we kept that species before in general was appalling. So now we’re looking at a, a very large scale enclosures, you know, measured in, in acres and not square feet or square meters. And I think there are species that where they do need the space, but I think a lot of it can be down to species selection. We have a lot more places that have large acreage and, and can manage species that need to be kept in large herds for all kinds of social reasons. When I was working here in London, with the exception of, of the giraffes, the oke section started to move towards managing forest species like pygmy hippos and the copies. Because managing a forest species in a, a smaller enclosure is simpler, you know, from welfare point of views is easier to meet their needs than say a herd of wildebeest who need large numbers in a large area.
