And it was like, okay, right, okay, this is, this is right up my street. And so I basically, I came up with a list of, I think it was 16 key points. What it starts with is you have to have been a zookeeper. You, you, you ha you know, you know, whether it’s, that’s the level you came in at or whether say in the German system where you might be a trainee curator, but you’re working on the animal sections as well. So you get that, that firsthand experience. There were things like, you know, I’ve, I’ve worked with people where we’re doing a new project. Here’s the, here’s the new exhibit that we’re building, here’s the plans. And they look at a plan and they, they don’t know how to read.