And anyway, couple weeks I’d gone on holiday, I’d come back and the chap who’s just recently retired as director, him and I were sharing a flat and Dudley and, and Derek said, oh, Brian Bertram, who was curator of mammals at London at the time, said, he’s Doug, Brian Bertrams coming up to the zoo tomorrow to have a chat with you about the head keeper job. And I was like, yeah, right. Pull the other one. And he’s going, no, really. And it wasn’t until I got into work the next day and the curator came up to me, said, Brian Bertrams coming to see you today, so you’ll be here about two. And I was like, oh, right, this is real. So we had a chat and it was, I was told, this is, you know, this is off the record, you know, you’re not allowed to tell anybody. ’cause London had never done this before. They then advertised the job and they asked me to apply formally and then went through the interview process and I, about three interviews for the position, it was hugely controversial.
