I’ve, I’ve, I’ve seen enough friends getting killed or, you know, been in the proximity when they have been. It was like, okay, right, I need to find another job. And that was the first sort of head of carnivores position, if you like, that had come up. And so I, you know, applied for the job and got it at Dudley. Now in 1986 to 91, you become head keeper of carnivores at the London Zoo.
