And basically I went in to chase the cat off to get him out. So there were a handful of occasions where I did go in with the tigers, but it was always to basically save his life. In 1984 and 1986, you’re now overseer of carnivores at Dudley Zoo. You leave Howlet because, and you go to Dudley. How come A very good friend, mark Akin, who cut his teeth as a keeper at Howlet, partially on the cats, but primarily on the elephants. And then he went down to work the elephants at Portland and he got killed by one of the bulls.
