A guy I used to work with at the Bronx, Jim Cronin, he was working at Howlet managing the small primate section as a, and the, there was a vacancy for the head of the carnivore section ’cause the head keeper had been killed by Tiger. And so Jim had sung my praises to John Aspen, all the owner. And I came down for an interview, which we did on the hoof as we’re walking around the zoo, got the job back up to Glasgow, packed up all my stuff and, and came down to hers. Was there pressure, because John Aspenal was kind of bigger than life. Was there pressure on you to go in with the animals Every single Sunday when he did playtime with the tigers or some of the tigers Dougie coming in today. And it was, my answer was always, no, not least because 11 days into the job, the former head keeper’s second in charge, who was serving his notice got killed by the same tiger in front of me. And there was no way, you know, I was playing those games. That said, there was about three or four times where it all went wrong when Aspenal was in the tiger enclosure.
