Very important. Very important. And, and I have to say both the commission and, and, and our executive director of Metro Parks always let us put a lot of money in there. And we might have used some society money at times, certainly during research times. But no, I went to every a ZA conference. I, they never doubted me going to WASA conferences. We all, we always sent two or three keepers to A-Z-A-A-C-K. We sent our veterinarians to the veterinary con. We, we registers conference, you name a conference we were at, we also had a lot of in-house training on HR and diversity and, and sexual harassment in the workplace.