Because it happened when I was at la. So in LA I had saved enough vacation and, and I actually through Warren Thomas, I got names. So I took a Greyhound bus and went to 19 zoos in 30 days on a Greyhound bus. And that’s where I met when we were talking the other day about Lincoln Park and Pat Sass and all that. So, so that maybe gave me an idea what other zoos, ’cause I had all also gone with Mike d to see the zoos in Arizona, but you know, and I’d seen San Francisco, but I wanted to see more. So once I saw 20 zoos or whatever, that gave me some ideas about what, what a good zoo was. So that really, I think those that, and from then on, I’ve been a zoo visitor extraordinaire forever. I’ve seen a lot of zoos and that always has helped me.
