And we put the naked mo rat went in the commissary, the diet kitchen at the zoo on the white chopping block and put the naked mo rat there. And Joel came in with his cameras and his lighting and, and he says, let’s do another species. So we kept talking and we documented every animal at the zoo that we could. He developed processes on how to take care of, take a great picture of an animal without harming the animal. Animal welfare, had to be respected at all times to take the portrait. You know, he may have a cloth box that he, that we can put an animal in. So the animal bounces around a little bit. They’re just hitting the cloth, but it’s all white.
