And quite often it’s hard to explain to somebody who’s interviewing for the job, what they’re gonna be doing, and once they’re in the trenches. So I, I think the zoo world should aggressively work on training middle management much, much more. Because I, I don’t, I don’t think there’s a good school out there that, that actually does it. You know, the, the zoo world. A ZA is trying to develop the, the next leaders. That’s all good and well, but they’re not that I’m aware of working really aggressively or training both that, that middle management at zoological institutions.