Well, I think what made me a good director was years of experience. I mean, coming up through the ranks, I mean, from the volunteers, the teenager, and doing a little bit of everything at, at the zoo, from concessions to zoo, keeping to education, to man, you know, management. Working long times, you know, you know, working, being in the trenches as I call it. But I think what also made me a, a, a good manager and a and a good supervisor was respecting your coworkers. Listen, truly listening, hearing what they said and what their concerns were regarding the, you know, the collection regarding facilities, regarding anything, regarding their opinions and things like that. But listening sincerely and, and, and working together to, to solve an issue, to confront an issue. I, I think, and I always try to know all my coworkers, the person from the custodian, oh, I mean, I was a custodian at one time too, cleaning the restrooms. Okay. That wonderful job to, to everybody, to at all levels and, and get guest services, animal keepers.
