And I think that’s where I’m really lucky. ’cause I had both, I was, you know, I was an animal guy. ’cause I started in the ditches, you know, in the trenches taking care of animals. And I, and I worked my way up, you know, in, in retail and at the zoo and my business degree and things like that. You, you can’t, you can’t draw a line. You can’t say which is which, because a big chunk of it is personality and the essence of that person. If that person is able to put their ego aside and listen and grow, listen to peers in the industry, listen to coworkers in the industry, and be analytical and listen to their community and be very analytical and put it together. They can listen Well.
