Well, Earl was consulting with the zoo at that time to upgrade it and remodel it. And the zoo director left at that time in February of 86. And Earl said, here, write, write a letter to this lady. So I wrote a letter to that lady and the lady called me a correspondent and she says, here, apply to here. So I sent my resume and all this, and I was one of two people interviewed for the job. And one of the people who was the vice President of the Zoo Society of the Zoo at the time was a bit of an Anglo file. And she was very intrigued by my time in England and my history. And I, and I told them point blank.