Yeah, because we had, I mean, there was a huge input on the part of the research department with Devra Kleiman. There was a huge input with the vets because one that they were incredibly important animals and that they had never been maintained in the National Zoo. We sent Larry over to London to try to learn the basic management of giant pandas. They brought someone in from China to also help, and then we were pretty much on our own. And we didn’t really have that much of a problem with the adults, I mean they did pretty well. And, but it was the fact that she would get pregnant, she’d give birth and we’d lose the cub. And these were all AIs.
