I, I think the, the trend, and I, I think the trend and, and I think this is a good one, is going for much bigger exhibits, larger group sizes, larger social groups and mixed species exhibits. So I, I think those are, you know, the days of the days of having, you know, one or two animals and having them in relatively small environments I think is different. But elephant management has changed a whole bunch. When I started my residency, we were still doing elephant shows, you know, with elephants playing baseball and all that sort of stuff at the St. Louis Zoo back in the day. So, so yeah. And, and the another thing, you know, a huge change in elephant managements in a ZA zoos is going from free contact to protected contact. I mean, when my, when my older daughter was 10, I’ve got pictures of her doing free contact, footwork, you know, hosing, elephants, and, you know, and now elephant keepers don’t do free contact work with elephants in a ZA zoos. So, Well, when you speak about elephants or exhibits, when a zoo spends multimillions of dollars on a gorilla or elephant or tiger exhibit, and critics ask why this money is not used to help animals in the wild, you say, I, I think, I think our, our job is to, is a couple of different things. It, we need to, we need to connect people to those animals.
