Again, curators are leaders of a group of animal care staff. They need to have those keeper skills to have the understanding of the animal skills to, to understand the, the, the animals in their care and have a level of knowledge about not just the scientific aspects, but you know, some of the management things. I’ve, I’ve had this discussion, I colleague, you know, zoo colleague with lots of zoo experience that shares my background, educational background of having an animal husbandry degree, you know, learning how to put animals in barns and feed them hay and those sorts of things. And, and, and having that, you know, the, the kind of back and forth discussion about, you know, should a an animal manager have a zoology degree or an animal husbandry degree. And you know, in zoos we put animals in barns and feed them hay. So, so animal husbandry is a big part of it. And so, you know, you can be a, you can be a zoologist and you can be a crackerjack, scientific zoologist and, and not have a lot of practical knowledge about animal care and husbandry. And so that’s an important part of it as well.