Discussions falling back on your degrees as you know, my idea trumps your idea, you know, is never gonna work for very long. So your approach to the Keepers was, My approach to the Keepers was they were partners in the care for those animals. I looked at, again, my experience, my experience working in small animal practice, and I think it was a benefit to not go right outta school into a zoo, but to have experience working with clients, animal owners, you know, that were your, you know, they were your clients, they were the people that you relied on and, and you, you couldn’t just dismiss them. They were the people that were paying you to work on their dog or cat. And so, you know, the, I’ve counseled people to consider the keepers like you would a client, like you would an animal’s owner and try and, and educate them on some of the things, you know, and again, owners, dog and cat owners often need considerably more education on dog and cat care than our keepers do. Our keepers are often very experienced, but you still have something to offer based on your years working as a zoo veterinarian and, and to share and make that a, make that a partnership. You’ve dealt with many curators in your career in management roles.