It’s an ongoing, it’s an ongoing science really as to, as to how to do it well, particularly if it’s, you know, if you’ve got the people who can actually provide that service, the person to person service, that’s great. But, but obviously a lot of institutions either can’t afford that or don’t have the number of volunteers and certainly not the number of staff to be able to do it. But certainly modern ways of communication have helped a great deal. I think the, the challenge is, I mean, most people of course you’ve got that small number of people who are very zoo and species oriented and because they’re going to lap up anything they can, they can learn. But for the vast majority of zoo visitors, they’re coming for, they’re coming for a good day out. Yes, they want the kids to learn something and occasionally even the mums and dads want to learn something as well. And so they, they will use what limited facilities there are as interpretives, whether it’s a, you know, a written notice or a a screen or something on their phone. But how much they’re actually absorbing from all of that is, is still an open question.