Well, I don’t, I don’t think, I don’t think they need to earn their keep as show pieces. I, I mean, yes, of course there are lots of ways in which one can demonstrate animal behavior, all sorts of aspects of, of animal biology in, in what one might broadly call a show a demonstration, whether it be education department or whether it’s sort of a, a set piece show. But how I would interpret that you, you know, do animals need to pay for themselves has more to do with the fact that obviously most zoos do not get their finances paid for by somebody else. So you are dependent at least largely on that audience, on that local audience to keep you in business. But it, so it has more to do in terms of animals paying the way has more to do with the quality of exhibit, the quality of the day out, which might include some form of show providing that doesn’t have welfare implications, bad welfare implications. And that’s obviously a, an issue, debatable issue as to what doesn’t, what doesn’t, but it, it has more animals paying for themselves, if you like, I think has or should have more to do with the overall quality of the exhibits, the way you interpret them and, and the sort of total experience of the day out rather than simply, oh, they’ve got a, a primate show or a, you know, or a, or a bird show or any, or any other form of, of, say, an animal, animal use, which, which of course 20 years ago, particularly used to was all the rage. You always had to have some sort of show that would, you know, would bring in more people. But so many of those shows were, were very, had a, a huge adverse welfare impact.
