No apol interference in a sort of broad sense too. I, and I think it depends what your mechanism of governance is and also you know, how financially strong you are and it, it comes back again I think to the quality of governance. I had big issues in London with a governance mechanism that were largely the body that the board largely consisted of people who were pals of other members of the board and were not necessarily, not necessarily the right people to, to be be in a position of governing the zoological society of London. So, so, so, so sorry, I’m gonna, I’ve lost the track of that question. We were talked about the politics in Zoos. Yeah, the politics, yeah, You can, Yeah, It’s like a state zoo. You obviously had politics. Yes, that’s right. Now in, in the, and certainly in North Carolina it’s, it depended the, the amount of involvement that the state itself took in the management of the zoo depended a great deal on who was actually the secretary of environment or in, in the case now secretary of culture, how much interest they took and what, what that form, what, what it, what form that interest took. So certainly when I started in North Carolina, there were very, a very, shall I say, sort of broad, sensible folks running the department who basically say we’ve, you know, we’ve appointed this guy, let him get on with him, but over the, and of course the politics change every two or four years.
