It was a trust for orangutans, and it was set up to protect not only the orangutans in the wild, but also to locate and bring together the captive population of orangs. And he also worked with then, I can’t remember her name. There was a woman in Hong Kong, I believe, that was really, really involved in orang conservation and they work with her. I mean she would go out and bring orangs out of the animal trade from Singapore and Hong Kong and Jakarta. And then he would work with her and try to place these animals within zoos because they will they were being sold to private individuals and whatever. He also was involved with the tigers. And in fact, I remember that his efforts in trying to get the zoos to really start to concentrate on what they were doing with the tiger population, the captive tiger population in the states. And it was almost what would be considered now an SSP on Siberians and in Bangles and even the few Samaritans that were available and AZA got to the directors that were members of AZA got really angry about his meddling in their collections.
