Well, I’m, I’m a little bit out of the current situation having, you know, been retired a few years ago, but I think it’s always been an issue as to, you know, are there, are there folks we’re talking here about animal curators, I presume there are always, there’s always been difficulty in recruiting someone say in their late twenties, thirties, early four, that sort of age group who that already has had some experience with animals. ’cause you’re not gonna presumably appoint an animal curator unless there’s some background there. The difficulty is then, because there’s so many of those folks are very much animal oriented that they haven’t had much experience in dealing with managing other people, for example, building relationships at all levels, whether it’s above or below them. So it it, it is an issue. It’s, but you can, you can fill in those gaps by providing individual training and experience for younger folks who clearly have that leadership ability. And most of the time it’s going to be a managerial administrative financial background or, or experience that you want to, that you want to build up. What I’ve found, and it’s also true of people wanting to be zoo directors, there, there are not all that many people who want to be zoo directors either, probably fewer than want to be curators. And what I’ve found, if people, particularly if folks are coming through the system, you know, they’ve started out as, as a keeper, clearly have ability to become curators, but actually they don’t want to become cur, they don’t want the extra responsibility.