Yes, absolutely. And, and we always, oh, I mean I, going back, gosh, for over 40 years when I was at London, when I was director at London and, and when I was senior vet before becoming director at London, was very much the height of the anti zoo lobby, if you like, in Europe. It, it was particularly bad, much worse in fact than it is today. It’s still there. And what I found is that I initially did an awful lot of waste of time TV discussions with mostly sort of minor film stars who, who were very anti zoo animal, you know, didn’t want any animal in captivity and they, so, so it was a sort of fighting time when you were actually debating with them to no great purpose. But what I then found was that if, if you then found those middle ground people, if you identify those middle ground, brought them to see what you were doing, made them aware of the issues. So the issues financial, in the case of London, very much historical baggage because you know, a place like Regents Park, London Zoo, 37 acres, huge traditional collection, something like 60 structures including lampposts and post boxes that were protected because of their architectural interest. Once you start bringing in people and saying, look, we want to do, we want to build a better penguin pool, we certainly don’t want this row of monkeys and primates. So we’re, we’re, we are aware just as much as you are that we need to do something about, but here are the practical issues that we need to face.
