And you create a partnership, you, you build so much of what we’re talking about is to do with relationships you build a relationship with, with those people. And what you find is that if you’ve got those folks on side or at least understanding what you are all about, what you are trying to do, you know, bear in mind that almost all zoo people always want to improve their welfare and other standards. So you’ve got an audience within that spectrum that you need to try to encourage. And what I’ve found over the years is that if you develop a relationship with the folks in that, shall we say more supportive and thinking end of the spectrum, actually you can sideline those people. In other words, if you are talking to that group of people and you are, and, and it is known that you are actually including those in the discussion about any form of welfare, zoo, animal welfare being one of them, then generally speaking they help you to sideline the extremists. So in the end it’s, it’s about building, developing, finding people who are interested in what you are doing and are willing to listen and join with you in, in improving standards. And there are many people out there who will do that because in the end they, they are the folks who, they’re the folks who can actually help you. And they’re also the folks that actually at the end of the day don’t want to have any dealings with the extreme views.
