So you can imagine as chair of that group, and we were funding something like $20 million a year into, in, into both UK conservation and into West African conservation. So I knew all the key characters. The, the then head of national parks for Uganda was one of my year in veterinary college. So using those sort of contacts and networks, that was how we got involved in those, in those programs. And they are all in existence today. They’re still going 25 years later. They’ve, they’ve evolved obviously, but, but they’re still there.
