Well, it started really with, with the relationship with Marwell John John Knowles, who I, I know you, you’ll know the name that John died a few years ago, but he had begun Marvel Manor as a private collection, firstly of wild quid species. He had one time, I think he had all the, all the sort of ex extent wild quid species in, in, in what was a private collection. And then he, he decided to go public and in so do, part of the reason for doing that was he wanted to expand into hoofed stock more, more widely. And because of my interest in, in hoof stock, and he’d, what I was the, I was the vet at Whipsnade when Mar started and John asked for help of vet veterinary help really with, with his wild horse collection. That’s how I, that’s how I met John. And then became a board member at, at Marvel and had quite a bit to do with the building up of the Marvel Ungulate collect herbivore collection. And what John and I realized, of course, was that at that time, we’re looking at the seventies now, at that time there were only, as far as I can remember, about three African antelope species represented in the, in the whole of the uk. Eland let red leway, I think, I think one or two, oddly enough of the Diker species, but almost nothing, almost nothing.
