Pretty early. I would say in my mid-teens. I thought that I would probably go to do zoology and I don’t know who it was, but I think somebody said to me, and this is, you know, you’re looking at what the early sixties, somebody even then said, you are not either with a zoology degree, you are not gonna get very far in term in terms of a career. So I was looking, I suppose at that time at zoos and agriculture or inevitably ’cause of the, you know, the whole family background. And I was, as I said, I was visiting, certainly visiting whip snag quite often. So probably by 1617 that was, that was an ambition to, to work in the zoo world. And my entry into the zoo world was very fortuitous. And it’s something that I often tell those mothers with their 14-year-old daughters who want to be vets in terms of opportunity. When in my final year at Vet College, an advert came up for the job at Whipsnade.