That was even better than meeting the guys, (laughing) quite honestly. But so that was my first time. So then 50 years later, which would be 2008, I go to Oklahoma City for AZA meeting there. And first of all, of course, a lot of colleagues have passed on or they’re retired and don’t go to these anymore. So I still knew some people and some people knew me, but there was so many people and so many, what we used to almost call the fringe elements of the zoo business were now the prominent people and the animal people were a minority. And I understand now that there is once a year, there’s a, something like a zoo directors retreat or something where it’s just zoo directors. It’s almost like a rebirth of the old AAZPA when the directors got together to talk about animals and director things. So that’s become a subset of the giant AZA these days.
