He was an old circus guy that was made Director, I don’t remember his name, but he was a character. I mean he had them there, and as soon as he got the … This is his story now, as soon as he got the giant pandas, he just told the Chinese to take their rice sticks, and go home, you know, they had all the stuff they were supposed to do, and he mixed everything together in a blender. So it was just eggs and, you know, everything else, and he put ’em together continually, which the giant, which the Chinese told us “Always keep ’em separate.” And I think that was the key that they were together, so it wasn’t such a unique thing or a curiosity. He threw ’em together, and had a baby panda born, and the Chinese couldn’t believe it. They flew somebody down there and … To see if there was really a baby. And then I went down a couple times on …
