Well, the other was ISS, I know he was behind that. But he’s a genius. He really is, he’s a genius. And he has done more for zoos, I think, than any other single individual. Marlon did his thing. Never met Dr. Hornaday. All I really know about him at this moment is, you know, you can’t keep gorillas alive in captivity. There’s a lot of good zoo directors out there. But that was a big thing, and when, what he did.
