Yeah, I was just in charge of large mammal, of large mammals at the time. I think, I don’t know, but, they hired a curator of primates and small mammals. And I don’t remember where that was before. That must’ve been before I became curator of large mammals, ’cause that was my title was curator of large mammals. So I did large mammals, Jan Rafert was a curator of primates and small mammals, Rich Sajdak was a curator of reptiles and the aquarium, and Ed Diebold was the curator of birds. So they had a full compliment of curators at that point. So when you became general curator, Ken had been on the job.