There were a couple of things why I left the National Zoo. Well, there were a lot of reasons. My husband was diagnosed with cancer in 1984 and he was successfully treated, but he was finding the hot humid summers in Washington difficult, so we started talking about moving somewhere else up north and picked out a couple of places that I would look. The National Zoo hired someone who had been at the Cleveland Aquarium and didn’t even have a college degree and were paying him $5,000 a year more than I was making. And I had to get a master’s degree that I paid for myself, so I asked Ed Gould for a raise. And he said, “No, you know, you need more responsibility.” And then I got the interview in Milwaukee and decided, well, we’ll move to Milwaukee.