Well, and I would go to meetings. One interaction I remember with Ted Reed is we had a group called Zoo East. It was Philadelphia, Baltimore, National, and New York were starting cooperative programs. And they were the most boring meetings in the world and, you know, all the guys are doodling and all the rest, well, and I brought my knitting once, so, ’cause I can knit and pay attention to what’s going on. And after that, Ted pulled me aside and said, “If I ever catch you knitting in one of my meetings again, I’ll paddle you.” So I never knit in a meeting that Ted Reed was doing. But when I started in Milwaukee, I brought my knitting with me to the first meeting and no one said a word.
