The thing is you wanted to get to this outcome and it didn’t matter who got you there. You know, so you did your work professionally and. Called in the favors that you could when you did until people recognize that you had some worth and oh, maybe we can trust them to do it. So it’s a slow relationship. But it’s very worthwhile developing. But on a national level, there weren’t many zoo directors who were women. I think at one time we either had like 10 or 12 of us. Most of them at small zoos.
