Well I was allowed to go to some of the conferences. It started, the lower I was, I would go to the regional conferences they had back then. And then right before I think Chuck knew he was leaving, I was allowed to go to my first national conference. And so that helped to get to know some people there. And then I think it was when Paul Chaffee was president. And I know Bob Wagner was involved in this. Would get interested people that they thought were coming up. And they wanted to, quite honestly, Bob told me, we’re looking for somebody, you know, we’re trying to get a woman.
